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Packers Hall of Famers hope Chiefs won’t match their 3 straight NFL titles

NFL At 100 The 1960s

Dave Robinson grew up in Mount Laurel, N.J., 15 minutes from Philadelphia, but he rooted for the New York Giants. All his friends were Eagles fans but as a kid he relished pulling against them.

That won’t be the case Sunday.

Robinson, who went on to become a Pro Football Hall of Fame linebacker for the Green Bay Packers, will sit high up at the Superdome in New Orleans and cheer for the Eagles against the Kansas City Chiefs in Super Bowl LIX.

“I kind of would like the Eagles to put a stop to this three-peat business,’’ said Robinson, 83.

Robinson, who played for Green Bay from 1963-72, was on the last team to claim three straight NFL titles, with the Packers winning the NFL Championship Game in 1965 and then easily winning the first two Super Bowls in the 1966 and 1967 seasons. The Chiefs, with a victory over the Eagles, would become the first team in the 59-year history of Super Bowl to have won it three straight times.

Robinson isn’t the only player remaining from those Green Bay three-time winners who will be rooting for Philadelphia on Sunday.

“Well, I’m jealous because I feel like we had three straight Super Bowls, and we’re the only team to have had that,’’ said Jerry Kramer, a Hall of Fame guard who played for the Packers from 1958-68 and will watch Super Bowl LIX at his home in Boise, Idaho. “I don’t want to lose that distinction, so I’ve been pulling against (the Chiefs) and watching them closely, but they’re a heck of a football team.”

There are only two teams in NFL history to have won three straight titles, the other being the Packers from 1929-31. There were no playoff games then, and the team with the best regular-season record was crowned champion.

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Pro Football Hall of Fame guard Jerry Kramer at his home in Boise, Idaho, on Jan. 29 2025 wearing the Super Bowl II ring he won with the Green Bay Packers in the 1967 season. Kramer played for the Packers from 1958-68 and was on teams that won five NFL titles, including two Super Bowl victories. Photo courtesy of Kramer family.

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Pro Football Hall of Fame guard Jerry Kramer at his home in Boise, Idaho, on Jan. 29 2025 wearing the Super Bowl II ring he won with the Green Bay Packers in the 1967 season. Kramer played for the Packers from 1958-68 and was on teams that won five NFL titles, including two Super Bowl victories. Photo courtesy of Kramer family.



The NFL then played league championship games from 1933 into the 1960s, when the Packers again were dominant. Under legendary coach Vince Lombardi, they lost the title game in 1960 before winning in 1961, 1962 and 1965.

The American Football League had begun operations in 1960 and in 1966 it reached a merger agreement with the NFL to take effect with the 1970 season. The leagues agreed to start the Super Bowl in the 1966 season, the first being the AFL-NFL World Championship Game, and four were held before the merger was finalized.

In 1965, the Packers had gone 10-3-1 and won 23-12 against Cleveland to claim the NFL title. The team featured 11 Hall of Famers, the others being quarterback Bart Starr running backs Paul Hornung and Jim Taylor, guard Forrest Gregg, defensive linemen Willis Davis and Henry Jordan, linebacker Ray Nitschke and defensive backs Herb Adderley and Willie Wood. And Lombardi was inducted into the Canton, Ohio, shrine.

Had there had been a Super Bowl in 1965, the Packers would have gone against the Buffalo Bills, who also went 10-3-1 in the regular season and defeated the San Diego Chargers 23-0 for the AFL title. However, considering the Packers would beat the Chiefs 35-10 in Super Bowl I and the Oakland Raiders 33-14 in Super Bowl, they believe it would have been a rout had they had a chance to go against another AFL team.

“Like a stepchild,’’ Kramer, 89, said of whether Packers would have beaten the Bills then. “I would have put money on the fact that we would have won.”

Marv Fleming, who won three titles as a Green Bay tight end from 1963-69, agrees.

“Of course, we would have won,’’ said Fleming 83, who lives in Los Angeles. “We were a better team and had better players. They didn’t have enough good players to play us.”

The Packers did get a chance to show their dominance against the AFL with wins against the Chiefs and Raiders. Lombardi made a point after the victory in Super Bowl II to recognize their three straight titles.

“After we won in 1965, we got a ring with a half-carat diamond, which was standard for championship rings at the time,’’ said Robinson, who lives in Akron, Ohio. “Then we won Super Bowl I and Vince said, ‘I’ll give you a one-carat diamond ring.’ Then before Super Bowl II, he said, ‘If you win, I’ll double it again and give you a a two-carat diamond ring.”’

That didn’t end up going as well as Lombardi had hoped.

“Vince found out that the price between one and two carats had shot through the roof,’’ Robinson said. “So, he gave us rings with a one-carat diamond in the middle and then one-half carat diamonds on each side. That stood for winning three in a row.”

Robinson sold his two Super Bowl rings in 2022 for $174,000 apiece to raise money for his family. Kramer sold his Super Bowl I ring in 2016 for $125,475 to help raise money for the Gridiron Greats Assistance Fund, which helps former players in need. But he regularly wears his Super Bowl II ring.

“On my right finger, I wear the beautiful ring that symbolizes three consecutive titles,’’ Kramer said.

There are eight surviving Packers who played on the teams that won three straight titles. The others are wide receivers Boyd Dowler, who starred at the University of Colorado but is now said to be in poor health, Carroll Dale and Bob Long, safety Tom Brown and tackle Steve Wright.

Kramer is the only surviving player from Packers teams that won five titles in seven seasons in the 1960s.

Fleming’s winning ways continued after he left the Packers, playing for the Miami Dolphins from 1970-74. That included appearing in three Super Bowls and winning two. The Dolphins in 1972 went 17-0 and remain the only undefeated and untied team in NFL history.

“I’m the most fortunate football player ever,’’ Fleming said.

Considering his Dolphins history, Fleming said his biggest concern related to the Chiefs this season was they do not challenge Miami’s undefeated mark. The Chiefs started 9-0 before losing 30-21 at Buffalo.

“I just wanted to see Kansas City get a loss, one loss,’’ Fleming said.

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Green Bay Packers' Marv Fleming, #81, blocks Oakland Raiders' Bill Laskey, #42, to make way for Donny Anderson's, #44, touchdown during Super Bowl II in Miami, Fla., on Jan. 14, 1968. The Green Bay Packers beat Oakland Raiders 33-14. (AP Photo)

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Green Bay Packers’ Marv Fleming, #81, blocks Oakland Raiders’ Bill Laskey, #42, to make way for Donny Anderson’s, #44, touchdown during Super Bowl II in Miami, Fla., on Jan. 14, 1968. The Green Bay Packers beat Oakland Raiders 33-14. (AP Photo)






Fleming said he rooted for the Bills in their 32-29 loss at Kansas City in the AFC Championship Game because they had not been to the Super Bowl in a long time. He said he mostly wants to see “a good game” in Super Bowl LIX and won’t necessarily cheer against the Chiefs so as not to see them win a third straight championship.

If the Chiefs do win, Fleming would consider Green Bay’s three straight titles to have more impressive.

“Back then, we had the cream of the crop of football players,” Fleming said. “Now, you have so many guys in the league, and it’s all watered down. They’re not the best of the best.”

It was mentioned to Fleming that when the Packers won their three straight titles, the NFL was a 14-team league in 1965, and the NFL and AFL had 24 teams combined in 1966 and 25 combined in 1967. But he dismissed that it is harder to win a title now in the 32-team NFL, saying that Green Bay faced tougher foes.

Robinson agreed with Fleming about the NFL now being “watered down.” He noted that the Packers, after winning the 1962 NFL title, had the final pick in the first round of the 1963 NFL draft and he was taken No. 14. He contrasted that to the winner of Super Bowl LIX not selecting until No. 32 in the first round.

“I hate to say this because people think this is the old guy just saying jealously, but the league is not as strong as it once was,’’ Robinson said. “And I don’t even know why they even wear shoulder pads now. They don’t tackle with them. They don’t block with them. They don’t do anything with them.”

While safety rules have changed the game since the hard-hitting times of yesteryear, Robinson does have respect for the Chiefs.

“Andy Reid is a great coach,’’ Robinson said. “He could coach in any era, although he would have to coach differently. And if you’re comparing the Chiefs to the NFL in 2024, they have a lot of superior talent on their team. I think they’re very well organized. I think they have a gunslinger for a quarterback (in Patrick Mahomes).”

Kramer also lauded plenty about the Chiefs.

“Mr. Mahomes has just done a sensational job,’’ Kramer said. “He just really doesn’t make many mistakes. He’s got to be a pretty intellectual kid. … (Tight end Travis) Kelce, he gets more passes than the dog catcher can catch dogs. He’s just really consistent. I haven’t seen him drop one.”

Kramer has great respect for Reid, whom he got to know when he was a Packers assistant coach from 1992-98. He said if the Chiefs defeat Philadelphia, he would be willing to offer congratulations.

But Kramer hopes that doesn’t happen.

“I can cheer the Kansas City Chiefs at certain moments because I can’t deny they’re a heck of an organization,’’ Kramer said. “But I can boo them in certain moments.”

While Kramer will boo in front of a television screen, Robinson can do so in person. He has been attending the big game regularly since Super Bowl XLVIII, when the Seattle Seahawks crushed the Broncos 43-8 in February 2014 at East Rutherford, N.J.

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Dave Robinson, (89) linebacker for the Green Bay Packers, Sept. 2, 1970. (AP Photo)

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Dave Robinson, (89) linebacker for the Green Bay Packers, Sept. 2, 1970. (AP Photo)






“I go with a couple of buddies every year,’’ said Robinson, who said their tickets cost $2,750 apiece for “rotten seats.” “I take care of the tickets, one guy takes care of hotel, and the one guy gets the flights, and we split the cost.”

When Robinson is watching Super Bowl LIX, he might reflect back to what could have happened had Lombardi not decided to retire after the win in Super Bowl II. He remained as the Packers’ general manger in 1968, when head coach Phil Bengsten had a 6-7-1 record. Lombardi returned to coach downtrodden Washington to a 7-5-2 record in 1969 before he died of cancer in September 1970.

“I will go to my grave saying that if Lombardi knew how big the Super Bowl was going to be, he would have stayed one more year (with Green Bay) and we would have won it the next year, too,’’ Robinson said.

In the meantime, Robinson will be pulling for the Eagles in the hope the Chiefs don’t get to three straight championships.

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